Writing Books That Support a Healthier, More Compassionate World
Writing a book that truly matters takes more than a good idea. It requires clarity, structure, ethical alignment, and an understanding of how stories shape behavior, culture, and values.
This episode explores what stands between meaningful ideas and books that actually reach readers. It looks at why so many important manuscripts stall, how ethical storytelling can influence health and compassion, and what it means to write books grounded in plant-based values and integrity.
Kathleen Gage: You’re listening to the Plant Based Eating for Health podcast show. I’m your host, Kathleen Gage. We’re here to plant seeds on compassion to animals, your health and the environment, and topics related to business that align with all three of those areas. Enjoy the show. Well, I’m very excited today to have invited back my friend and colleague, Sandra Nomoto. We’re going to be talking about, yeah, hey, big wave to Sandra. We’re going to be talking about how books can impact the vegan movement and why books are so necessary. And of course, anything you want to talk about Sandra, but let me give a short intro. Sandra Nomoto is a writer, former public relations agency CEO and award-winning author dedicated to supporting the world’s changemakers. Her work centers on helping purpose-driven leaders and independent authors, bringing meaningful stories into the world with clarity, integrity and impact. She’s guided by a vision of a world where all living beings on the planet are given the opportunity to not only thrive, but live and to not be put into situations where their life is just a living hell.
So with that, we had a short conversation before we started. And I have to tell you, I right now, I’m in a place of I’m in a place of disbelief, I’m in a place of anger, I’m in a place of activism, and I want to get the message out as much as possible about why living as a vegan is such a great thing, and why books are so important for vegan authors. So with that, Sandra, great to have you on the show.
Sandra Nomoto: Great to be back, Kathleen. Always great to be back.
KG: Yeah. Well, I know one of your most recent successes with a client is The Vegan Transformation with Dr. Angela Crawford, a good friend of both of ours and just an amazing woman and an amazing vegan. And lately, I’ve been reading a lot of different types of books. And let’s start with what it is you do in your business and how you help authors to get their message out to the world.
SN: Yeah, I know in previous podcasts, I focused on the book that I put out. I focused on marketing. I love that we’re focusing on books and authors today, because in the last it’s now six years, I’ve really started to get more and more immersed in my work with authors, and so book whisperer is kind of my catch all title, because I can ghostwrite, I can edit, I can format, and then I can help authors market their books. So I do a lot of different things. The one thing I don’t do is cover design. So that’s kind of like the one step I can’t really help authors with, but happily, will outsource to. And I’ve got a number of vegan designers that can help with that if you’re interested in that. So yeah, I don’t know where you want to start, but, but yeah.
KG: Well, you just kind of hit on something about you. You work with vegan designers, and you have a group of vegan designers. How important is it to you in the work that you do to surround yourself with other vegan entrepreneurs that can help get the message for your clients out to market?
SN: I mean, definitely when I started six years ago, it was really important, because at the time, I was focused on trying to be a copywriter for vegan companies. And so I thought to myself, well, where can I find other vegans? So I joined Vegan Business Tribe. I joined VIVAS, which is where you and I met, with Katrina Fox. I was really trying to find every possible place I could network with other vegans.
And then I became co-host of VEG Networking Canada, Canada’s only vegan networking group. So I’m so glad I did that, even though I no longer work solely with vegans on the author side. But that’s really how I built my business is by shared values and working with these other folks who are vegan, because it’s just so much easier to have a working relationship that way, when you find someone who shares the same values you do.
And that was crucial also, when I needed to find contributors to my vegan marketing book, you were one of those people that submitted a story and, yeah, I mean, that’s just a testament to networking. You know, finding the right networks, vegan or not, that can help you move forward, whether it’s with your business or with your book.
KG: Well, in choosing to work with clients, how do you decide if they’re not vegan? How do you decide that you’re able to help them and that they will be receptive to conversations that you have in the work that you do with them?
SN: Yeah, it’s interesting. When I started working with authors, I thought to myself, I’ve got to pick a lane, right? So I started marketing myself as someone who works with vegan and spiritual memoir writers. That’s just the lane I picked, because that’s what I’m personally interested in. And what’s funny is all sorts of other authors started coming to me. A good batch of them were vegan, but very different nonfiction books. I have worked with one vegan fiction writer, but mostly it’s been nonfiction, which makes sense, because that’s what I read and you know, whether it’s memoir, biography, business books, it’s yeah, it just makes sense that’s what I work on.
Yeah, I forgot the question now, but…
KG: How do you decide if your person’s non-vegan?
SN: Yes.
KG: Because I actually now pretty much, I attract a lot of vegans that need my services. And I have one client who’s not vegan, she’s pretty close, but she is the only client who’s non vegan, and I do that by choice. I love working with her, so I’m not going to say, well, you know, kicking you to the curb, because I’ve worked with her for about seven years now, and yet, the people that I now bring on board, I make a conscious choice. Just like with this podcast, I will only interview those who identify as vegan, and it’s called Plant Based Eating for Health, and we get into that, but more, it’s about the whole mindset of being vegan and why that’s so important to to us personally and to the world. So how do you decide if the person is not a vegan, is there ever a conflict internally? Do you find that some actually start moving towards a vegan lifestyle? How does that work?
SN: Yeah, my criteria now, because I’m a bit more open than I was before, is so long as you intend your book to impact people positively, that’s who I want to work with. Now, if somebody comes to me, it’s like, “You know, I own a butchery and I want to write a memoir,” probably not going to be a good fit. And I think I do a pretty good job on my website of talking about who I am. It’s very obvious I’m vegan. There was one potential client who came along, and I think saw my website, and actually it was referred to me and said, “You know, it looks like you only work with vegan authors, or like you’re really into that. Not my thing.” And I thought, “Okay, well, if that’s going to be her barrier to choosing who to work with, then…” And I did try to explain, I don’t only work with vegans, but, yeah, it just didn’t move forward from there. So as long as that value alignment is there and the person’s not turned off by me being vegan, I think there’s a lot of room there.
KG: Interesting. Well, for me, it’s like, as I moved closer to my 72nd birthday and being an old lady now and considered an elder. It’s like there’s certain things that in the past I may have done, but I’m in a position where I don’t need to make certain choices that I used to make. And one is, I don’t know. Maybe it’s the cranky old lady syndrome. I don’t know, but I have less patience for some of the things that just the harm that’s happening in the world, the anger, the violence, the way we treat our immigrants in the United States is appalling to me, absolutely, and that’s what I actually loved about Leah [Garces]’s book, is that she really gets into the whole human rights violations around people that work in factory farms by no choice of their own. I mean, the deceit that our government has put out to the market, which you know, we all know that. But when you start pulling the layers away, how do you—you’re from Canada, and you live in British Columbia. What—
SN: Province.
KG: Province, thank you. I’ll blame that on old age too. But how do you as a Canadian view what’s going on in the United States, around immigration rights, around ICE, because I know that y’all hear about it. But the reality is, you know, we have our perception, and there’s a real divide in the United States, but from Canada, how do you view it?
SN: Yeah, I’m not gonna say my view is aligned with all Canadians, but I think generally we don’t look very well on what’s happening with the immigration there, and certainly Canada is not flawless either, but, yeah, just the enforcement. I mean Renee, the killing of Renee Good and then the backlash against protesters. I mean the one sign that you have a country where you have the freedom of speech is protests, and the fact that you can allow them, but if you’re not allowed to protest safely, that’s another sign where, yeah, I think it’s scary. It’s scary because it’s a violation of your freedom.
KG: And that’s what I love about books, and I really want to dig into how a person would decide whether or not to write a book. Because myself, I’ve written several books. I actually have my next book coming out, probably within the next few weeks, and it’s called Speak Out, and it’s about 30 years as a professional speaker. And I’m framing that as a way that anybody in any line of work, any nonprofit can use speaking as an opportunity to get their message out to market, whether it be through podcast, getting on a physical platform where you’re face to face with your audience, doing Zoom trainings, whatever it may be that speaking is really a way to do this, and I’m using the vehicle of a book to get that message out to market. So when you see somebody who’s got a really powerful message, how would you frame it for them that a book might be the next obvious choice for them?
SN: Yeah, I kind of listen for what their goals are, right? And it’s so funny. My radar for this is getting really fine-tuned. Because when I meet somebody and they’ve got a really amazing story, immediately, I’m like, have you thought about publishing a book? Because just if you’ve got a great story already, that’s the foundation.
And if I hear things like, I want to increase my personal brand. I want to be a thought leader. I want to speak. Again, we’ve talked about this on your podcast. A book is a fast track to getting there, and people don’t understand that, because they think, “Oh, well, I’m not a writer. You know, how could I possibly write an entire book to then get on that stage?” Well, you don’t have to sit at a laptop to write. You know, there are other ways to do it. You can record yourself. You can work with a ghostwriter like me, but if you can get that book out there in the world, that can really help you move on to some of these other bigger goals. And so I wouldn’t look at a book as the goal unto itself. I mean, it can be, if that’s that’s the ultimate goal to be a published author. But it can really be a stepping stone to some of these, especially if you want, yeah, to be a keynote speaker or get your name out there, be a bigger content creator than you already are.
KG: So what would be the process? Because I want to, I want to kind of dissect the whole process of making a decision to write the book, writing the book, and like you said, you can record it. You can get a ghostwriter, and then the whole marketing. And I definitely want to dig into what you did for Dr. Angela Crawford and what you do for your other clients, because having been in the book writing space and book marketing space for now, I’m going on about 20 years. Years ago, I used to do these massive Amazon.com launches, and we bring in huge numbers of partners and all that. And at that time, that worked very well. Today, that model doesn’t work. But I have to say, out of all the people I’ve watched marketing books, your model probably was one of the best, and you got Angela on dozens upon dozens of podcasts. So I definitely want to break that down. But let’s start with how somebody would decide, and then what’s the first step that they would go through in either outlining the book or working with somebody like yourself?
SN: Yeah, I think it’s important to know the different types of publishing paths. This is the conversation I always start with when I talk to authors, because I think there’s a conception that, “Oh, I have to write this book, and then I’ll worry about things later.” Well, it kind of depends on what your path is. So path one, let’s talk, is traditional publishing. If you’ve if you’ve got a fiction book, they expect you to have written it already before you go and start pitching publishers. If it’s nonfiction, maybe you can write some sample chapters, but they actually don’t want the whole book written, because they want to collaborate with you on fleshing out that book.
So again, different genres, that’s the publishing path if you want to get picked up by the top five. So Penguin Random House, Simon and Schuster, you actually need an agent. So you need to the agent first before you—you can’t just solicit your idea right to them. So that’s the traditional path.
Then there’s self publishing. So I’m not sure if you went that path, but I certainly did. Both of my books are self-published, and you are responsible for the entire creative process. You can do everything yourself; I don’t suggest that. Or you can hire the team that you want put it out there in the world, but really, it’s up to you, and then you recoup your revenue afterwards, after you’ve spent, you know, all of the services that you need to get your book out there.
Then there’s kind of this middle path called hybrid publishing, where it’s very similar to traditional publishing, but the publisher is taking care of all the services you need, but you are paying them a fee. And you’re also maintaining your rights as the author, so you’re not selling your IP to a publisher for a certain period of time. You actually still maintain your rights when you go the hybrid route. And that’s where I suggest folks start, because depending on which path you want to take, that kind of determines your next step, whether you need to write the whole book, whether you just need the idea for the book, and then the steps after that are very much the same. Once you write the book, it gets edited, it gets designed, and then it gets out there in the world, and you market it.
KG: Talk about editing, because I have to tell you, you know, self-publishing is a blessing on one hand, but then on the other hand,you should have gotten a professional to help you if you don’t know what you’re doing.
SN: Yeah.
KG: And I’ve had people send me books, and I start reading them, and it’s like there are so many mistakes in the book that I can’t go past Chapter One.
SN: Same, yeah.
KG: So how important is that editing and how can people do it cost effectively? Because I know that for a lot of authors, they’re on a shoestring budget. For other authors, you know, I worked with one client. He had me on a $5,000 a month retainer just to give him advice. And he was a very successful cosmetic dentist, and we ended up writing a book with him. I was the ghostwriter, and then I brought in other people, but he had the resources. Not everybody does. So what are some cost-effective ways?
SN: Yeah, so there’s different types of editing. So there’s copy editing, and that’s, you know, looking at spelling, grammar, sentence structure, all the mistakes, let’s just say, that might prevent the words from flowing easily.
Then there’s structural editing. That’s more the structure of the book. So are the chapters in the right order that they should be, that kind of a thing.
And then there’s line editing, or stylistic editing. I would say, if you can only budget for one editor, hire a copy editor. That’s the type of editing that I do, because like you’ve just described, you don’t want any errors showing up in your final book that’s going to give you a two-star Amazon review. And you really don’t need those. You really need that four or five star review on Amazon, right?
If you have absolutely no budget for an editor, then the next best thing I think you can do is, number one, read your book aloud, because I think that’ll catch words that are missing, things like that. Two, use software. So I like ProWritingAid, personally. I know other people use Grammarly or some other ones, because the software can actually catch potential errors as well. And third, have a group of beta readers. So five or 10 people who are willing to read your book and give their feedback, because again, this is a free way you might be able to have some folks catch those mistakes.
KG: That’s a great recommendation. I know that Angela’s book was done through Lantern Publishing. And did you work in partnership with Lantern? Because they do a lot of vegan books. What can you tell me about finding one of those types of publishers?
SN: Yeah, again, it depends on the size. So I’m pretty sure Angela, I don’t know if she was looking at just vegan publishers, but the fit for her book and Lantern was very aligned there. So it just made sense that they picked it up. But I’m pretty sure she pitched them directly. Again, like I said, the top five, you need an agent. Or if you just don’t want to go through the process of pitching publishers yourself at all, you can find an agent willing to represent you. Or do what Angela did, and come up with a list of publishers that published similar books to what yours is, and then you give them a proposal. I’ve got a blog on my website that has like the 11 elements of a proposal, and that can help folks know what, what they should include with that document.
KG: Okay, and speaking of your blog and your website, I want to remind people that you’re listening to the Plant Based Eating for Health podcast show. I’m your host, Kathleen Gage. I’m talking with Sandra Nomoto and Sandra. How do people find you?
SN: My website’s the easiest place to find me my name SandraNomoto.com and then you can follow me on all the socials from there.
KG: Okay, excellent. And I know that you’re really active on LinkedIn. Before we get into marketing, let’s talk about why LinkedIn seems to be your sweet spot with—at least, that’s where I noticed you the most, and I really like your post on LinkedIn. So why? Why is LinkedIn such a good platform?
SN: Yeah, I think it just happened to be the place where I developed connections over the years, I’ve mostly been a B2B type of business, right? Of course, authors can be anybody at this point, but yeah, Instagram was kind of my next favorite, but then I got hacked last year, and I had to start fresh there.
So most of the time I cross-post, you know, it’s the same type of content, but I know again, because LinkedIn is just the place where I’ve been able to nurture a lot of these relationships and always building new ones as well. Yeah, it’s just, I guess, kind of ended up being the place where I mostly hang out now.
KG: I like LinkedIn. I spend a lot of time on there and with my clients. That’s usually where we’re promoting their stuff, because of the type of clients that they look for. So let’s talk marketing. Now, I know with Angela, you helped her to get on a lot of podcast shows. What are some of the most effective ways that an author can actually get that visibility? Then I want to move into what you’re working on currently, and what are some of the hot spots for you, and the button pushing things that are going on in society right now that you’d like to see change through authorship, through blogging, through podcasting? So let’s start with marketing.
SN: Yeah, I mean Angela specifically, or just in general?
KG: Just in general.
SN: I’ve got, like, a video that I created on YouTube, because I find myself talking about this a lot, but sort of my six elements of an author marketing strategy includes, first of all, the three types of content, so social media, blogs and emails. And a lot of if you run your own business, you’re already doing this, right? So it’s just a matter of integrating your book content into that strategy.
Then we look at events. So, do you want to host an in-person launch or reading in your city, or do you want to do a virtual one or both, right? And so this gives more people a chance to get to know you and what your book is about, and you to maybe read a sample chapter. It’s nice to just be able to celebrate that launch.
Then I look at media and podcasts. So this, at least for me, I think, was the top way that I got my vegan marketing book out there. I appeared on all the vegan podcasts that would have me and pitched to the vegan media. Pitch local media as well. Yeah, and this is free, you know, unless you hire a publicist like me, this is all stuff that you can do yourself. Come up with a news release, come up with a really good pitch, a media kit, and you can all do all of this yourself.
And then lastly, collaborations. So can you collaborate with any other partners or other authors who maybe write in a similar genre and do things like a guest post on each other’s blogs or a newsletter mentioning each other in each other’s newsletters? Really with collaborations, it’s endless, the amount of partnerships that you can do. So those are my six elements that I think every author should either have or at least consider. And then, of course, there’s a lot more that you can add to that.
KG: You know, I have to smile at this, because as you’re sharing this, that’s a lot of work.
SN: Yeah.
KG: And I’ve had people say, “Wow, that’s a lot of work.” It’s like, yeah, it is. But what’s your goal? And I was doing an event years ago where it was a business event and how to grow a business, and I made it very clear for like, an hour, I talked about how difficult it is to stick with your business, that there is a lot of work involved. This woman comes up on the microphone, because I do what I call a hot seat where I’m on the hot seat, and she had been a pain in the butt the whole time. I mean seriously, total pain in the butt. And she said, “I want you to tell me that it’s not hard to start a business, that I won’t have to work hard.” And I looked at her and I said, “Are you really serious with that question?” She goes, “Yes, I am.” And I said “Then, I’m going to invite you to leave, because obviously you have been not been listening.” And I said, “These people are here to learn, and you’ve been wasting their time.” And I just let her have it, and she stopped, she apologized, and turned out to be the best student the next two days. It was amazing, because she just, she really wanted to be told that you don’t have to work hard. So how do you respond to somebody that says that’s a lot of work?
SN: Yeah, I mean, my response to that is, anybody can become an author and throw a book online on Amazon. That does not mean you’re going to have readers. That’s only half the work. And really, when you’re an author, and this is what I learned from firsthand experience is, yes, it’s an art. The writing is absolutely an art, but you’re not going to have an audience for it unless you have a really smart marketing strategy, right? Any type of marketing strategy, really, and just like any other business that’s launching a new product, they have a whole campaign around it. And you’ve got to have a campaign around your book and why people should buy it. Or you’re just not going to have readers.
And one of my favorite things to do, I don’t do it so much anymore because I’m not doing in person stuff, but is signing books and giving them to people, because I really feel like I’ve done the hard work of getting the book together, but now I get to physically give that energy to that person. And yes, I know there’s ebook and audiobook and those formats, but that’s really one of my favorite things to do is to sign a book and hand it to a reader.
KG: Absolutely. Well, you know, I look at the books that I showed you today. They are physical books, and I love nothing more than sitting down in the quiet of the morning with a physical book, because we’re online so much, but to have that book in hand, there’s something magical about it. As a kid, I used to love to go to libraries, and I still do. It’s like, but unfortunately, we don’t have as many libraries as we used to, but it was my favorite thing to do was to go to the library and literally smell the books. It was just like, so I guess I was destined to be an author.
SN: That aging paper smell. Yeah, I know that.
KG: Used bookstores, oh, my. Don’t get me started. Give me a big budget to go into a used bookstore. But, so are you working on any projects right now that you’d like to share with everybody?
SN: Yeah, I just signed on a client. She is also a vegan author, 70 years old, and her book actually launched last year. I’m not going to say who it is, because I’m going to pitch her on your podcast, and I think you two are going to have a fantastic conversation.
KG: If she’s vegan, she has a book, and you’re recommending her, we’re good to go.
SN: Yeah, but I guess aside from her, yeah, I launched a course in the fall of last year. This was the first course I launched in a decade. So it has been a while, but I’m really proud of the work that I put into it, because it came from doing…I don’t do a lot of workshops and things like that, but a talk that I gave in the fall about book publishing. And I just had so many questions that I thought to myself, I can’t do this very often, and so I may as well just package all of the knowledge I have and I’ve taken in five years of working with authors and put them into a course. And so I put that up online at the end of last year.
And I’m really proud of it, because it’s for folks who, again, if you’re kind of paralyzed by which path you could take or where you want to start, but you know that publishing a book is going to help you reach your goals, or it’s just the goal that you want to reach, please take the course, because it’ll outline everything that you need to do, plus all of the marketing tips that I just gave so that you’re aware.
KG: What’s the name of the course?
SN: It’s called How to Publish Your Bestselling Book.
KG: Excellent.
SN: And you can find the link right on my website homepage. It’s on the Thinkific platform, if you’re familiar with that course platform.
KG: Yes, I am, and we’ll make sure to put that in the show notes. We’ll have a link so that people can be right in the link right over to it. So with all that’s going on in the world right now, I mean, what the world is upside down, and I tend to believe a lot of it has to do with the way we treat the animals and the earth. I can’t get away from that. I think energetically, we’re so connected to that. But I think that people are so far removed from really what’s going on in the world that, you know, people are just trying to survive. What are some things that are going on in the world right now that, if you could wave a magic wand and you could be part of the solution, what would those things be?
SN: Wow. I mean, I would take all the content from the vegan documentaries that you and I have probably seen, and all the book content we’ve read and instantly put that in the brains of the human population. Because I think it’s just the awareness. A lot of people don’t understand veganism, because they’re not aware of what it takes for that animal to get to your plate. And I think if they really understood that, and you mentioned, you know, Transfarmation, Leah Garces’s book. And she goes into the human toll of factory farming. You know, the people who work in the slaughterhouses and these farms. It’s not just about the animals, it’s about people, and it’s so intersectional.
You know, if you really believe in anti-racism, you should consider removing animals from your diet. Yeah that’s what I’d say, just more content and awareness in the minds of folks.
KG: Yeah, and you know, for me, and I don’t know, I’m going through something right now where, you know, my heart really hurts, and I feel I’m very empathic with a lot of what’s going on in the world, and I’m picking up the energy of so much. And I just feel that time is so short to do what we’re here to do. But I did a post recently about the whole thing with RFK and the new food pyramid, and they’re promoting more meat, more dairy, which is going to make people sicker and sicker.
And so I’ve written some very well thought through posts and very well-researched. And it’s amazing how I’m getting attacked on those by people who say, “Don’t tell me I can’t eat meat.” And I said, “Not once in the article did I say, don’t eat meat.” I said, “This is what’s going on.” And I had one man that just kept at it, you know, he kept posting and I wasn’t responding. And then finally he said, “Did you ever think you could be wrong? Checkmate.” And I wanted to say, “Are you in third grade? I mean, do you really think that’s a post to be putting up?” But it’s like, I see so much of that going on. And what can you recommend to somebody like me?
Because truly, sometimes I break down and I cry over what’s going on. And the clients that I do work with who have that level of empathy when we’re doing podcast episodes and we’re hearing about what’s going on with the animals and the human rights and or lack thereof, and even the farmers they are indentured servants in a lot of these factory farms. They are stuck in many ways. And for some of them, they think the only way out is to blow their brains out, quite literally. And so what can you advise to somebody like me that I’m really going through a process in my life right now where I’m saying what more can I do? So, what would you say to me, Sandra?
SN: Yeah. And I mean, first of all, I would just say thank you for what you’re already doing. Because if your intent with your posts is to inform people and not attack them, then I think you’re already doing half the work. Of course, there’s always more that we can do, but I think you have to also have a level of self-care when we’re in this because if you don’t take care of yourself, then you won’t be able to do what your talents and skills can do to benefit this movement.
And so when you’re getting attacked in comments and things like this, sure, you can respond and try to convince that other person. But also, remember, if they’re not open to receiving the message, if they feel attacked and feel the need to attack you back, I don’t think that warrants a response.
KG: Right, right.
SN: And also, I find it funny when I am on Instagram and I see vegan content creators and the comments that they receive, and what’s funny is, the more they engage, the more it actually helps you with your visibility.
KG: Thank you.
SN: And so, yeah, whether you comment back or not, that person attacking you is actually helping that visibility. So it’s really up to you how do you want to respond. You know, if it’s a horrible comment, you can delete it. But, yeah, I just always think of yourself first, right? It’s that oxygen mask analogy, take care of yourself first, and then do what you can.
KG: Absolutely. Well, one of the ways I take care of myself is with my animals, because we have what we call a self funded mini sanctuary, and my wife and I, we started rescuing animals years ago. And we never really viewed it as a sanctuary. But now that I’m working within the sanctuary space, I just recently joined the board of directors for a local sanctuary, and I’m going to help with the marketing and visibility.
SN: Amazing.
KG: And that’s the exciting thing is, like in 2018 when I went vegan, never in my wildest dreams did I believe and even think that I would end up doing what I’m doing today, being on the board of directors for a sanctuary, and it’s exciting to think about what will come next. And I love that idea of self care, because we put so much into what we’re doing, and I think we all have big hearts, and when we see the pain and suffering, we want it to stop, and the way to make it stop is to live that truth. So Sandra, as we come to a close here, is there anything I should have asked you that I didn’t ask you that you want to share with the community?
SN: No, I think we covered a lot of ground here. Again, if there are any listeners here that feel that they’re being called to become an author, I would love to connect with you. No questions asked. I always give up to an hour of my time just to chat with folks, no charge, if you just want to chat about the whole publishing process, because I know it can be daunting. And then just thank you for having me back on. I’m super excited for your book launch, and look forward to supporting you there. And congratulations on being on the board of the sanctuary.
KG: Thank you. They invited me, and I was like, that sounds like—you know, I hadn’t considered it. So, thank you so much for that. I’m looking forward to seeing the growth there. So with that, I just want to thank you, Sandra, for joining me again today, and for the people out in the community listening and watching, go out and do what you’re here to do, live with compassion and notice what’s on the end of your fork, and is it something that is pain free? With that, thank you so much. This is Kathleen Gage with Plant Based Eating for Health podcast show. Have a great day.
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